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МСГ проводит уголовное расследование катастрофы, конечной целью которого являются идентификация виновных в преступлении и их наказание.
Совет безопасности Нидерландов и МСГ проводят свои собственные расследования, поскольку каждая из организаций должна действовать независимо...
МСГ выявила группу людей, несущих ответственность за это преступление. В этом документе их называют «persons of interest»...
Расследование деяний виновных и их неизбежный арест потребуют некоторого времени...
Joint Investigation Team’s reaction to OVV report
13 oktober 2015 - Landelijk Parket
Today, the Dutch Safety Board (OVV) presented its final report about the facts surrounding the disaster of flight MH17 on 17 July last year and the circumstances surrounding the crash. Through this investigation the OVV wants to establish safety lessons to be learned for the future.
The Joint Investigation Team (JIT) is conducting the criminal investigation into the disaster, with the ultimate goal to identify the perpetrators of the attack and to prosecute them. The Dutch Public Prosecution Service (OM) and the National Police co-operate with Australia, Malaysia, Ukraine and Belgium in this Joint Investigation Team. The OVV and the JIT are each conducting their own separate investigations, because both organisations need to be able to operate independently.
The Dutch Safety Board has concluded that flight MH17 was shot down with a BUK missile system. Up to the present, the findings of the criminal investigation point in that same direction. The JIT had already announced that in the criminal investigation, the most likely scenario is that MH17 was shot down by a BUK. In order to obtain conclusive criminal evidence, it is also necessary that other scenarios, such as the possibility that flight MH17 was shot down by another type of missile or that it was shot from the air, can be ruled out convincingly.
Up to the present, the findings of the criminal investigation point in the same direction as the Dutch Safety Board conclusion regarding the area of the launch site. Within the scope of the inquiry certain ‘persons of interest’ have been identified, who are of importance to the investigation.
Progress of the criminal investigation
It is a known fact that this is a very intensive and time-consuming investigation. The JIT operates according to legally established procedures to arrive at conclusive and convincing evidence that will stand firm in court. The burden of proof in a criminal case is heavier and consequently the criminal investigation is more time-consuming. The criminal court will ultimately have to establish that it could have been no other weapon than a BUK and that any alternatives can be ruled out beyond any doubt. Furthermore, it is required to establish a link with potential suspects.
The aspects which are most time-consuming are finding and hearing the many witnesses, as well as the big data-analysis. The inquiry takes place under difficult conditions, especially concerning the gathering of evidence and interviewing witnesses in the relevant area, where an armed conflict is still ongoing.
Meanwhile, the examination of the debris that has been recovered from Ukraine so far, has been concluded. The subsequent secured traces are now being examined and compared by experts. Questions have been presented to experts in many fields and information has been requested from the various security agencies.
Identifying and prosecuting suspects
Apart from the cause of the crash, the investigation is also aimed at identifying and prosecuting the perpetrators. Therefore it needs to be examined who had any role in the shooting down of flight MH17 and what was their intention. In this respect the JIT depends largely on the testimonies of witnesses. It is not easy to find such witnesses, let alone to find them prepared to render a statement in a safe environment. Still a large effort is put into this matter on a daily basis. Both the investigation into the perpetrators and their eventual arrest can take a lot of time.
This means that it is expected that the criminal investigation into the crash of flight MH17 will still be fully continued in 2016. The JIT’s motivation is undiminished. Every day new steps are taken in the direction of finding evidence. The JIT will continue to work on the investigation in full force. Every effort should be made to do justice to the victims and their relatives.
https://www.om.nl/vaste-onderdelen/zoeken/@91208/joint-investigation/
МСГ проводит уголовное расследование катастрофы, конечной целью которого являются идентификация виновных в преступлении и их наказание.
Совет безопасности Нидерландов и МСГ проводят свои собственные расследования, поскольку каждая из организаций должна действовать независимо...
МСГ выявила группу людей, несущих ответственность за это преступление. В этом документе их называют «persons of interest»...
Расследование деяний виновных и их неизбежный арест потребуют некоторого времени...
Joint Investigation Team’s reaction to OVV report
13 oktober 2015 - Landelijk Parket
Today, the Dutch Safety Board (OVV) presented its final report about the facts surrounding the disaster of flight MH17 on 17 July last year and the circumstances surrounding the crash. Through this investigation the OVV wants to establish safety lessons to be learned for the future.
The Joint Investigation Team (JIT) is conducting the criminal investigation into the disaster, with the ultimate goal to identify the perpetrators of the attack and to prosecute them. The Dutch Public Prosecution Service (OM) and the National Police co-operate with Australia, Malaysia, Ukraine and Belgium in this Joint Investigation Team. The OVV and the JIT are each conducting their own separate investigations, because both organisations need to be able to operate independently.
The Dutch Safety Board has concluded that flight MH17 was shot down with a BUK missile system. Up to the present, the findings of the criminal investigation point in that same direction. The JIT had already announced that in the criminal investigation, the most likely scenario is that MH17 was shot down by a BUK. In order to obtain conclusive criminal evidence, it is also necessary that other scenarios, such as the possibility that flight MH17 was shot down by another type of missile or that it was shot from the air, can be ruled out convincingly.
Up to the present, the findings of the criminal investigation point in the same direction as the Dutch Safety Board conclusion regarding the area of the launch site. Within the scope of the inquiry certain ‘persons of interest’ have been identified, who are of importance to the investigation.
Progress of the criminal investigation
It is a known fact that this is a very intensive and time-consuming investigation. The JIT operates according to legally established procedures to arrive at conclusive and convincing evidence that will stand firm in court. The burden of proof in a criminal case is heavier and consequently the criminal investigation is more time-consuming. The criminal court will ultimately have to establish that it could have been no other weapon than a BUK and that any alternatives can be ruled out beyond any doubt. Furthermore, it is required to establish a link with potential suspects.
The aspects which are most time-consuming are finding and hearing the many witnesses, as well as the big data-analysis. The inquiry takes place under difficult conditions, especially concerning the gathering of evidence and interviewing witnesses in the relevant area, where an armed conflict is still ongoing.
Meanwhile, the examination of the debris that has been recovered from Ukraine so far, has been concluded. The subsequent secured traces are now being examined and compared by experts. Questions have been presented to experts in many fields and information has been requested from the various security agencies.
Identifying and prosecuting suspects
Apart from the cause of the crash, the investigation is also aimed at identifying and prosecuting the perpetrators. Therefore it needs to be examined who had any role in the shooting down of flight MH17 and what was their intention. In this respect the JIT depends largely on the testimonies of witnesses. It is not easy to find such witnesses, let alone to find them prepared to render a statement in a safe environment. Still a large effort is put into this matter on a daily basis. Both the investigation into the perpetrators and their eventual arrest can take a lot of time.
This means that it is expected that the criminal investigation into the crash of flight MH17 will still be fully continued in 2016. The JIT’s motivation is undiminished. Every day new steps are taken in the direction of finding evidence. The JIT will continue to work on the investigation in full force. Every effort should be made to do justice to the victims and their relatives.
https://www.om.nl/vaste-onderdelen/zoeken/@91208/joint-investigation/
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Date: 2015-10-14 02:14 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-10-14 02:23 am (UTC)коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не заÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 02:27 am (UTC)ТоÑнее, Ñем Ñказал в Ñвое вÑÐµÐ¼Ñ ÐонгÑелло, не ÑкажеÑÑ:
"Retribution" (ÐоздаÑние)
Though the mills of God grind slowly;
Yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience He stands waiting,
With exactness grinds He all.
(H.W. Longwellow)
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Ðо ÑвеÑда Ðго ÑÑка.
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Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 04:51 am (UTC)----
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Т.е. как ÑÑо бÑÐ´ÐµÑ Ð²ÑглÑдеÑÑ?
Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-15 07:05 am (UTC)Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 05:06 am (UTC)Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 05:18 am (UTC)ÐелÑÑ Ð¼ÐµÐ´Ð»ÐµÐ½Ð½Ð¾ ÐоÑподни жеÑнова,
Ðелко мелко мелеÑÑÑ Ð¼Ñка.
ÐÑÑÑÐ¸Ñ ÑеÑÐ¿ÐµÐ»Ð¸Ð²Ð°Ñ Ð Ñка,
ÐÑÑ Ð½Ðµ пеÑемелиÑÑÑ Ð¿Ð¾ÐºÐ°.
Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 05:52 am (UTC)Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 04:39 pm (UTC)Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-15 06:10 am (UTC)Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 06:20 am (UTC)Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 06:58 am (UTC)Re: коÑоÑе, пÑоÑеÑÑ Ð´Ð°Ð»ÐµÐºÐ¾ не зÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 04:40 pm (UTC)ÐÑ Ð¿ÑедвкÑÑÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ñладкой жеÑÑвÑ.
no subject
Date: 2015-10-14 03:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-10-14 03:26 am (UTC)пÑÑÑ Ð³Ð»ÑпеÑ, но еÑе не полнÑй
Date: 2015-10-14 03:42 am (UTC)ÐÑоÑеÑÑ Ð²Ð¾Ð·Ð¼ÐµÐ·Ð´Ð¸Ñ Ñвно заÑÑ
Date: 2015-10-14 03:43 am (UTC)Re: ÐÑоÑеÑÑ Ð²Ð¾Ð·Ð¼ÐµÐ·Ð´Ð¸Ñ Ñвно заÑ
Date: 2015-10-14 06:33 am (UTC)Ð ÑÐ°ÐºÐ¸Ñ ÑложнÑÑ Ð¿ÑоиÑÑеÑÑвиÑÑ ÑпеÑки не бÑваеÑ. СлиÑком много деÑалей нÑжно пÑовеÑиÑÑ Ð¸ доказаÑÑ.
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Date: 2015-10-14 04:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-10-14 05:54 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-10-14 06:36 am (UTC)ТолÑко впеÑÑд и без ненÑжнÑÑ
Date: 2015-10-14 05:24 am (UTC)ÐÑоме Ñого, на вÑÑкий ÑлÑÑай пÑÐ¸Ð·Ð¾Ð²Ñ ÑважаÑÑ "ÑеÑемонии", не ÑолÑко по ÑÑÑеÑÑвÑ, но даже Ñам ÑеÑмин. Ðе ÑолÑко ÑледÑÑвие, но и ÑÑд на 50% ÑоÑÑÐ¾Ð¸Ñ Ð¸Ð· ÑеÑемоний, и они не вÑегда вÑглÑдÑÑ "нÑжнÑми". ÐÑим ноÑмалÑнÑй ÑÑд оÑлиÑаеÑÑÑ Ð¾Ñ ÑаÑпÑавÑ. ÐоÑÑÐ¾Ð¼Ñ Ð¾ÑÑÑÑÑÑвие некоÑоÑÑÑ ÑеÑемоний Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÑ ÑÑаÑÑ Ñ Ð¾ÑоÑим поводом Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð¾Ð±Ð¾ÑнованнÑÑ Ð°Ð¿ÐµÐ»Ð»ÑÑий.
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Date: 2015-10-14 05:26 am (UTC)ÐÑвеÑÑÑвеннÑм за Ð³Ð¸Ð±ÐµÐ»Ñ Ð±Ð¾ÑÑа MH17 бÑÐ´ÐµÑ Ð¿ÑедÑÑвлено обвинение по ÑÑаÑÑе "пÑеднамеÑенное ÑбийÑÑво", заÑвил главнÑй пÑокÑÑÐ¾Ñ ÐидеÑландов ФÑед ÐеÑÑеÑбеке по иÑогам обнаÑÐ¾Ð´Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ ÑезÑлÑÑаÑов ÑаÑÑÐ»ÐµÐ´Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ Ð¾Ð±ÑÑоÑÑелÑÑÑв каÑаÑÑÑоÑÑ Boeing 777 Malaysian Airlines в небе над ÐонбаÑÑом 17 иÑÐ»Ñ 2014 года,...
http://www.kasparov.ru/material.php?id=561D5A37B683A
СледÑÑвие говоÑÐ¸Ñ Ð¾ ÐÐ ÐÐÐÐÐÐÐ ÐÐÐÐРУÐÐÐСТÐÐ!!!!
Т.е. Ðоинг Ñаки Ñбивали ÑеленапÑавленно.....
ÐнаÑÐ¸Ñ Ñ ÐаливайÑенко бÑли какие-Ñо оÑÐ½Ð¾Ð²Ð°Ð½Ð¸Ñ Ð³Ð¾Ð²Ð¾ÑиÑÑ Ð¾ "casus belli"
ÐÑÑ Ð¶Ðµ поÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ðо?
Date: 2015-10-14 06:03 am (UTC)РпоÑÑе Ð¾Ñ 5 авгÑÑÑа "оÑибки не бÑло" Ð²Ñ ÑÑвеÑждаеÑе ÑÑо Ð³Ð¸Ð±ÐµÐ»Ñ Ðоинга должна бÑла пÑоизойÑи ÐРвÑемени поÑадки в ÐоÑкве ÑамолÑÑа Ñ ÐÑÑинÑм, до коÑоÑого в 16.19 оÑÑавалоÑÑ Ð¾ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ð¾ ÑаÑа.
ÐопÑÐ¾Ñ - поÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ðо?
Ðли внÑÑнÑй (пÑоÑÑ Ð¿ÑоÑÐµÐ½Ð¸Ñ Ð·Ð° наглоÑÑÑ) оÑÐ²ÐµÑ Ð¿Ð¾ÑÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð½Ð°Ð¼ пока Ñано об ÑÑом знаÑÑ.
ÐÐ»Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñала
Date: 2015-10-14 06:18 am (UTC)Ðо пока Ð´Ð»Ñ Ð½Ð°Ñала Ð²Ð¾Ñ ÑÑо:
http://aillarionov.livejournal.com/864741.html
ТÑи "Ñ"?
Date: 2015-10-14 06:37 am (UTC)ÐÑимеÑно Ñак? :)
ЧÑо ж пÑодолжаем дÑмаÑÑ
Date: 2015-10-14 07:12 am (UTC)а) Ðн (ÐÑÑин)должен бÑÑÑ Ð² воздÑÑ Ðµ ÑÑоб:
а1)опеÑаÑивно кÑда Ñо ÑвалиÑÑ.
а2)бÑÑÑ ÑизиÑеÑки ÐºÐ¾Ð¼Ñ Ñо недоÑÑÑпнÑм.
а3)Ñипа алиби Ñ Ð±Ñл в полÑÑе...
б)Ðекие дÑÑгие оÑганизаÑоÑÑ Ð¸Ñполнили ÑÑÐ¾Ñ ÑеÑÐ°ÐºÑ Ð¿Ð¾ÐºÐ° ÐÑÑин в полÑÑе
б1) и не Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÑ Ð¾Ð¿ÐµÑаÑивно повлиÑÑÑ
б2) обеÑпеÑиÑÑ Ð°Ð»Ð¸Ð±Ð¸ ÐмÑ.
ÐолÑÑе вÑазÑмиÑелÑного в Ð³Ð¾Ð»Ð¾Ð²Ñ Ð½Ðµ пÑÐ¸Ñ Ð¾Ð´Ð¸Ñ Ð·Ð°Ñем ÐµÐ¼Ñ Ð±ÑÑÑ Ð² полÑÑе.
Re: ЧÑо ж пÑодолжаем дÑмаÑÑ
Date: 2015-10-14 12:42 pm (UTC)Re: Что ж продолжаем думать
Date: 2015-10-16 11:14 am (UTC)Андрей Николаевич утверждает что это важное условие, и что у него есть логическое тому объяснение.
Re: Что ж продолжаем думать
Date: 2015-10-16 11:33 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-10-14 10:03 am (UTC)Ðе ÑовÑем понÑÑна наÑÑойÑивоÑÑÑ Ð°Ð²ÑоÑа в Ñом ÑÑо не Ð¼Ð¾Ð¶ÐµÑ Ð±ÑÑÑ Ñакого ÑÑо Ð±Ñ Ñ Ð¾Ñели ÑбиÑÑ ÑÐµÐ¹Ñ ÐÑÑоÑлоÑа и намеÑено Ñбили именно MH17. Ð ÑниÑÑожении MH17 ÑмÑÑла не бÑло, а Ð²Ð¾Ñ ÑбиÑÑ ÑÐ²Ð¾Ð¸Ñ Ð¶Ðµ и поÑом ÑвалиÑÑ Ð½Ð° дÑÑÐ³Ð¸Ñ -ÑÑо Ð¿Ð¾Ñ Ð¾Ð¶Ðµ ÑиÑÑо пÑÑинÑкий меÑод обкаÑаннÑй еÑе на взÑÑÐ²Ð°Ñ Ð´Ð¾Ð¼Ð¾Ð².
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Date: 2015-10-14 08:03 pm (UTC)2. Ðо его не бÑло.
Ðа, а алиби ÐÑÑÐ¸Ð½Ñ Ð½Ñжно.
ÐоÑÐ¾Ð¼Ñ ÑÑо его Ñже обвинÑÑÑ.
РеÑе обвинÑÑ.
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Date: 2015-10-16 08:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2015-10-19 01:57 am (UTC)MH17. Ðде инÑоÑмаÑÐ¸Ñ Ñазведки СÐ
Date: 2015-10-14 11:01 am (UTC)СамÑй инÑеÑеÑнÑй Ð¼Ð¾Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ Ð² до
Date: 2015-10-14 03:18 pm (UTC)ÐÑÑин и Ð¨Ð¾Ð¹Ð³Ñ Ñам ÑоÑно пÑиÑÑÑÑÑвÑÑÑ.
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Date: 2015-10-14 05:40 pm (UTC)"оÑвеÑÑÑвенноÑÑÑ Ð½ÐµÐ·Ð°Ð²Ð¸Ñима Ð¾Ñ Ñого кÑо Ñбил!"
надо ÑолÑко подгоÑовиÑÑ "ÑÑконнÑй "докÑÐ¼ÐµÐ½Ñ !!!
заведÑÑÑий каÑедÑой междÑнаÑодного пÑава ÐÐÐÐÐ ÐÐРРоÑÑии Ð ÐÑлегжанин
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Date: 2015-10-14 05:49 pm (UTC)http://youtu.be/_7ISXW8-F3g
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Date: 2015-10-18 05:48 am (UTC)ТРЕТЬЕ: ....
ИДИОТИЗМ позиции РФ заключается в том, что упорствуя во лжи, упрямо отрицая очевидные факты и проделывая неуклюжие попытки спрятать улики - они только укрепляют следователей в подозрении, что Боинг был сбит не случайно, а намеренно.
Чем дольше продолжается этот позорный фарс - тем больше шансов, что в обвинительном заключении Прокуратуры Нидерландов будет стоять квалификация "Преднамеренное убийство".
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Тогда действительно, почему бы не взорвать несколько жилых многоэтажек?